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		<title>By: Sharon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 18:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zane, I&#039;m really not getting that read off this analysis..my take on this was that while the study has merits (strengths) it also has some weaknesses and in the long run there is no way to say that one diet is better than another FOR EVERYONE.

Are you confusing this with him saying that low carb is overrated? Because that&#039;s not it all - it&#039;s that the extreme low carb (ketogenic levels) just might not be as advantageous as was once believed. 

My take on it is that while low carb is a good plan/way of life, you don&#039;t NECESSARILY need to push it to the ketogenic level (which is an extremely low carbohydrate/high protein plan) because payback isn&#039;t automatically greater in terms of metabolic functioning than your more traditional low carb plan (although I do believe for some ketogenic is more advantageous).

I know that low carb (non-ketogenic - I don&#039;t have the discipline for that lifestyle) works the best for me on many levels - my hunger signals, my energy leves, etc. But  based on this research and well-thought out analysis by Lyle, any thoughts I had of pushing my diet to the ketogenic level have been put to rest. I&#039;ll stick to low carbohydrate/higher protein.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zane, I&#8217;m really not getting that read off this analysis..my take on this was that while the study has merits (strengths) it also has some weaknesses and in the long run there is no way to say that one diet is better than another FOR EVERYONE.</p>
<p>Are you confusing this with him saying that low carb is overrated? Because that&#8217;s not it all &#8211; it&#8217;s that the extreme low carb (ketogenic levels) just might not be as advantageous as was once believed. </p>
<p>My take on it is that while low carb is a good plan/way of life, you don&#8217;t NECESSARILY need to push it to the ketogenic level (which is an extremely low carbohydrate/high protein plan) because payback isn&#8217;t automatically greater in terms of metabolic functioning than your more traditional low carb plan (although I do believe for some ketogenic is more advantageous).</p>
<p>I know that low carb (non-ketogenic &#8211; I don&#8217;t have the discipline for that lifestyle) works the best for me on many levels &#8211; my hunger signals, my energy leves, etc. But  based on this research and well-thought out analysis by Lyle, any thoughts I had of pushing my diet to the ketogenic level have been put to rest. I&#8217;ll stick to low carbohydrate/higher protein.</p>
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		<title>By: Zane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 09:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can someone answer my question?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can someone answer my question?</p>
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		<title>By: Zane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 07:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is weird. You seem to be saying the Ketogenic diet is over-rated, yet you wrote a book about it.
Should I read the book? (I was intendignto buy it. along with UD2)
Or am I wasting my money?
Don&#039;t you use fat for fuel instead of carbs when on a ketogenic diet?
Isn&#039;t that the superiority of it to other diets?
I am now really confused.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is weird. You seem to be saying the Ketogenic diet is over-rated, yet you wrote a book about it.<br />
Should I read the book? (I was intendignto buy it. along with UD2)<br />
Or am I wasting my money?<br />
Don&#8217;t you use fat for fuel instead of carbs when on a ketogenic diet?<br />
Isn&#8217;t that the superiority of it to other diets?<br />
I am now really confused.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everything having been said, the one thing the I personally experience is that I actually tend to eat LESS when on a low carb diet. The concentration of fat / protein in my diet seems to kill my hunger. I feel better when i restrict my carb intake - especially all the junk carbs. For me, elevated carb intake makes me feel dull and energyless (and no, I am not diabetic or pre-diabetic).  High carb intakes also leave me feeling bloated. I believe it comes down to choosing the diet that best &quot;fits&quot; your lifestyle and genetics</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everything having been said, the one thing the I personally experience is that I actually tend to eat LESS when on a low carb diet. The concentration of fat / protein in my diet seems to kill my hunger. I feel better when i restrict my carb intake &#8211; especially all the junk carbs. For me, elevated carb intake makes me feel dull and energyless (and no, I am not diabetic or pre-diabetic).  High carb intakes also leave me feeling bloated. I believe it comes down to choosing the diet that best &#8220;fits&#8221; your lifestyle and genetics</p>
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		<title>By: Johny23</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johny23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 10:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was interesting stuff to read, but I&#039;ll stick to Low Carb Diets. There are my reasons:

1) With low carb diets you maintain more than 20% of your calories from fats (it&#039;s harder to hit this mark on higher carb diets as when carbs go up, fats must go down) and not suppress my testosterone levels
2) Low carbs prevent insulin rises (it&#039;s easier to control hunger without them)
3) It&#039;s more satiating to eat fats over carbs
4) I just like LCD&#039;s more ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was interesting stuff to read, but I&#8217;ll stick to Low Carb Diets. There are my reasons:</p>
<p>1) With low carb diets you maintain more than 20% of your calories from fats (it&#8217;s harder to hit this mark on higher carb diets as when carbs go up, fats must go down) and not suppress my testosterone levels<br />
2) Low carbs prevent insulin rises (it&#8217;s easier to control hunger without them)<br />
3) It&#8217;s more satiating to eat fats over carbs<br />
4) I just like LCD&#8217;s more <img src='http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mikael Jansson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mikael Jansson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 22:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a known fact the increase in LDL on a high-fat diet are of the &quot;safe&quot; variety, e.g. the non-dense LDLs. I see no measurements of the Apo-values for a correct indication whether the increased LDL levels were indeed hazardous to the subjects&#039; health.   

Moreover, &quot;emotional effects&quot;?  Pardon?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a known fact the increase in LDL on a high-fat diet are of the &#8220;safe&#8221; variety, e.g. the non-dense LDLs. I see no measurements of the Apo-values for a correct indication whether the increased LDL levels were indeed hazardous to the subjects&#8217; health.   </p>
<p>Moreover, &#8220;emotional effects&#8221;?  Pardon?</p>
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		<title>By: Jazz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jazz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 19:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt,

There&#039;s a matter of personal variance. Starting bodyfat % of the twins, training volume (500g post workout would require a fair amount of volume), insulin sensitivity (note that it can vary between siblings).

My take on your hypothetical situation is that Twin A gains more LBM than Twin B. Twin B loses more fat than Twin A. Whether these variances are significant, I&#039;m not sure.

My rational is that Twin A is consuming sufficient carbs to keep insulin levels stable/elevated throughout the week (good for LBM, less good for fat loss). And, as long as training volume is not super high, there will likely be enough carbs post workout to complement the training effect.

Twin B is in a much bigger calorie deficit on non-training days, and is probably not reaping as much benefit from round-the-clock higher insulin levels (for LBM gain - but the situation is better for fat loss). The twice weekly refeeds surely complement the training effect acutely, but protein synthesis continues to the next day (peaking at around 24 hours), at which point the twin is back in a suboptimal feeding regime for LBM gains.

Maybe increasing training frequency (split routines, more full body routines, whatever) for Twin B would result in more LBM gain because he&#039;ll be refeeding multiple times per week. Even if carbs during the refeed are lower (because they are spread across more training sessions), as long as the training volume is not really high, he&#039;ll still be eating enough to complement the training effect. Would this slow down fat loss? Possibly.

The above is all hypothetical and maybe nonsensical, but, meh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt,</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a matter of personal variance. Starting bodyfat % of the twins, training volume (500g post workout would require a fair amount of volume), insulin sensitivity (note that it can vary between siblings).</p>
<p>My take on your hypothetical situation is that Twin A gains more LBM than Twin B. Twin B loses more fat than Twin A. Whether these variances are significant, I&#8217;m not sure.</p>
<p>My rational is that Twin A is consuming sufficient carbs to keep insulin levels stable/elevated throughout the week (good for LBM, less good for fat loss). And, as long as training volume is not super high, there will likely be enough carbs post workout to complement the training effect.</p>
<p>Twin B is in a much bigger calorie deficit on non-training days, and is probably not reaping as much benefit from round-the-clock higher insulin levels (for LBM gain &#8211; but the situation is better for fat loss). The twice weekly refeeds surely complement the training effect acutely, but protein synthesis continues to the next day (peaking at around 24 hours), at which point the twin is back in a suboptimal feeding regime for LBM gains.</p>
<p>Maybe increasing training frequency (split routines, more full body routines, whatever) for Twin B would result in more LBM gain because he&#8217;ll be refeeding multiple times per week. Even if carbs during the refeed are lower (because they are spread across more training sessions), as long as the training volume is not really high, he&#8217;ll still be eating enough to complement the training effect. Would this slow down fat loss? Possibly.</p>
<p>The above is all hypothetical and maybe nonsensical, but, meh.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 13:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Following up on Hal&#039;s question,

This is one of my interesting interpretations of carbohydrate manipulation.  You could take 2 twins, have them both recomp for a year.  Over the year they both eat the same macros and have the same activity (2 resistance training workouts a week).  

Twin A eats a reduced calorie diet: say high-protein, moderate carbs, and low-fat.  On a weekly basis, he eats 100-200 g carbs per day, but averages 157.    
Twin B eats a high-protein low-carb diet with 3 weekly refeeds.  On a weekly basis, say he eats 20g carbs per 5 days, and 500g carbs on his 2-workout days.  

Imagine their daily consumption of protein and fat is equal.  

Based on my interpretation of what I&#039;ve read we would expect twin B to have better body recomposition.   Would the difference be significant? Would it be noticable in the mirror?  Or would the majority of Twin B&#039;s benefits from hormone up-regulation be in diet adherence?

Matt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Following up on Hal&#8217;s question,</p>
<p>This is one of my interesting interpretations of carbohydrate manipulation.  You could take 2 twins, have them both recomp for a year.  Over the year they both eat the same macros and have the same activity (2 resistance training workouts a week).  </p>
<p>Twin A eats a reduced calorie diet: say high-protein, moderate carbs, and low-fat.  On a weekly basis, he eats 100-200 g carbs per day, but averages 157.<br />
Twin B eats a high-protein low-carb diet with 3 weekly refeeds.  On a weekly basis, say he eats 20g carbs per 5 days, and 500g carbs on his 2-workout days.  </p>
<p>Imagine their daily consumption of protein and fat is equal.  </p>
<p>Based on my interpretation of what I&#8217;ve read we would expect twin B to have better body recomposition.   Would the difference be significant? Would it be noticable in the mirror?  Or would the majority of Twin B&#8217;s benefits from hormone up-regulation be in diet adherence?</p>
<p>Matt</p>
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		<title>By: Hal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 08:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lyle,

This question may come off as silly, so I apologize in advance if it turns out that way.  Would there be any potential advantages or benefits to locking in protein and total calorie intake and flip flopping fat and carb intake from time to time for periods of 7-14 days? 

 e.g. If you typically consume a moderate-to-high protein diet of roughly X kcals with a low or very low carb intake and a high(er) fat intake, then switching to a diet where the carb intake is higher for 1-2 weeks and the fat intake is lower, mostly from EFA&#039;s and the fat in the protein foods you eat (total kcals that had been from carbs become kcal target for fat intake and vice versa)

Or, alternatively switching to a higher fat intake and lower carb intake if carbs had been on the higher side and fat intake much lower?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lyle,</p>
<p>This question may come off as silly, so I apologize in advance if it turns out that way.  Would there be any potential advantages or benefits to locking in protein and total calorie intake and flip flopping fat and carb intake from time to time for periods of 7-14 days? </p>
<p> e.g. If you typically consume a moderate-to-high protein diet of roughly X kcals with a low or very low carb intake and a high(er) fat intake, then switching to a diet where the carb intake is higher for 1-2 weeks and the fat intake is lower, mostly from EFA&#8217;s and the fat in the protein foods you eat (total kcals that had been from carbs become kcal target for fat intake and vice versa)</p>
<p>Or, alternatively switching to a higher fat intake and lower carb intake if carbs had been on the higher side and fat intake much lower?</p>
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		<title>By: Image101</title>
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		<dc:creator>Image101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 02:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really enjoyed that audio interview Lyle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really enjoyed that audio interview Lyle.</p>
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