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		<title>By: lylemcd</title>
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		<dc:creator>lylemcd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 19:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess it depends on where you count &#039;other&#039;.  But muscle and fat as per the above chart add to 26% total on average. That leaves 75% for non-fat/non-muscle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess it depends on where you count &#8216;other&#8217;.  But muscle and fat as per the above chart add to 26% total on average. That leaves 75% for non-fat/non-muscle.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 18:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt; with the liver, heart, kidneys and brains contributing roughly 70-80% of total resting energy expenditure

Hi, unless I&#039;m reading it wrong I make it 60%. Just FWIW no biggie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt; with the liver, heart, kidneys and brains contributing roughly 70-80% of total resting energy expenditure</p>
<p>Hi, unless I&#8217;m reading it wrong I make it 60%. Just FWIW no biggie.</p>
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		<title>By: lylemcd</title>
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		<dc:creator>lylemcd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have numbers in front of me but what you wrote is certainly what&#039;s going to happen.  Skeletal muscle energy expenditure can increase massively during exercise, heart should to due to increased cardiac output, etc.  Energy expenditure of organs not so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have numbers in front of me but what you wrote is certainly what&#8217;s going to happen.  Skeletal muscle energy expenditure can increase massively during exercise, heart should to due to increased cardiac output, etc.  Energy expenditure of organs not so much.</p>
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		<title>By: Niko Segal-Wright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Niko Segal-Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 07:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The table in the article was very interesting and helpful. I would be very interested to see how energy expenditure for a person at rest differs proportionately from an active person. I would guess that the heart and muscle would use much more energy while the other organs would use only slightly more. Is this true? If you have any insight please let me know!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The table in the article was very interesting and helpful. I would be very interested to see how energy expenditure for a person at rest differs proportionately from an active person. I would guess that the heart and muscle would use much more energy while the other organs would use only slightly more. Is this true? If you have any insight please let me know!</p>
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		<title>By: lylemcd</title>
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		<dc:creator>lylemcd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While all true, it&#039;s all sort of irrelevant to the topic of this article.  No one is arguing against trying to gain muscle and lose fat.  I&#039;m making the point that the idea that adding a bit of muscle will turn you into an energy burning dynamo is simply false.  That bit of nonsense is affecting people negatively IMO, they think that doing a little bit of exercise and adding a few pounds of muscle will vastly jack up their metabolic rate and it&#039;s simply not true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While all true, it&#8217;s all sort of irrelevant to the topic of this article.  No one is arguing against trying to gain muscle and lose fat.  I&#8217;m making the point that the idea that adding a bit of muscle will turn you into an energy burning dynamo is simply false.  That bit of nonsense is affecting people negatively IMO, they think that doing a little bit of exercise and adding a few pounds of muscle will vastly jack up their metabolic rate and it&#8217;s simply not true.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn Phillips</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shawn Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;No, Virginia, there is no Santa Claus! &lt;/b&gt;

Well, gee Lyle... why to spoil the muscle beach party! 

I&#039;m sorry to hear the shocking news... and yet I appreciate the painstaking effort you&#039;ve put forth to reveal this. 

Honestly, while I&#039;m as guilty as anyone of innocently and eagerly endorsing the (likely) inflated energy value of muscle, I can&#039;t say this step towards a revelation comes as a shocking surprise. 

It doesn&#039;t take a math wiz to do some basic calculations and see that if my muscle was burning 50 cals/lb. per day, I&#039;d be eating 2-3 times the food I am and losing weight. Right. 

&lt;b&gt;That said, I also don&#039;t think the number really matters.&lt;/b&gt; Sure, why it&#039;s been overused and overvalued it&#039;s largely been done so in and to an audience that is well served by the over-hyped valuation. 

&lt;b&gt;&quot;Muscle burns fat&quot;&lt;/b&gt; is less a critical variable than a positive marketing strategy, a way to engage people, to interest those who would otherwise dismiss muscle, seeking only the negative path to weight loss... eating less and &lt;b&gt;burning more. &lt;/b&gt;

It&#039;s a little like over-hyping the hybrid vehicles. Okay, so they don&#039;t actually change the world, if you look at the reality, but they are a hell of good step in the right direction. And it&#039;s better to have more people believing the higher numbers of hybrids and muscle at least until they&#039;ve taken a step towards them... 

In my last book, &lt;em&gt;Strength-for-Life &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/em&gt;is didn&#039;t go for the big, big numbers but I did accept a rosy outlook on the calories while setting in place a much more complete and integrated case for gaining muscle. So, I didn&#039;t stand on this alone.... for good reason. 

For the purpose of your site and conversation, I can see why you desire to get real for at some point in the continuum it does matter. 

&lt;b&gt;As for the masses out there,&lt;/b&gt; the people who need to get fit, gain strength, lose fat, and increase their wellbeing and energy, I think can all agree that more muscle and less fat is an across the board winner--all math aside. 

And I agree with your statement: &lt;em&gt;&quot;I expect the major effect to be from the effort of stimulating muscle mass gains along with the energy needed to synthesize that muscle tissue.  But once it’s there it doesn’t burn many calories.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Which really tends to make it a bit of a moot point for if its the gaining of muscle that is really the burn and the story of calories being incinerated gets people to take this action, has not the means justified the ends? Or better yet, perhaps they are getting the desired benefit regardless.

And say this person gets the muscle packed on, now they have to work to keep it, to shape it. They are now more aware, more engaged and likely vested in their new body shape and strength... they&#039;ve completed some feedback loop that has engaged them and we know have them on &quot;our side&quot; - the good side, the bright side. 

And then, you&#039;re hear to help them better understand how to improve, sustain, elevate... life and separate and the like... 

&lt;b&gt;...or something like that. &lt;/b&gt;

Appreciate your Insights... 

&lt;b&gt;In Strength...&lt;/b&gt;
 
Your Friend, 

Shawn Phillips</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>No, Virginia, there is no Santa Claus! </b></p>
<p>Well, gee Lyle&#8230; why to spoil the muscle beach party! </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry to hear the shocking news&#8230; and yet I appreciate the painstaking effort you&#8217;ve put forth to reveal this. </p>
<p>Honestly, while I&#8217;m as guilty as anyone of innocently and eagerly endorsing the (likely) inflated energy value of muscle, I can&#8217;t say this step towards a revelation comes as a shocking surprise. </p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t take a math wiz to do some basic calculations and see that if my muscle was burning 50 cals/lb. per day, I&#8217;d be eating 2-3 times the food I am and losing weight. Right. </p>
<p><b>That said, I also don&#8217;t think the number really matters.</b> Sure, why it&#8217;s been overused and overvalued it&#8217;s largely been done so in and to an audience that is well served by the over-hyped valuation. </p>
<p><b>&#8220;Muscle burns fat&#8221;</b> is less a critical variable than a positive marketing strategy, a way to engage people, to interest those who would otherwise dismiss muscle, seeking only the negative path to weight loss&#8230; eating less and <b>burning more. </b></p>
<p>It&#8217;s a little like over-hyping the hybrid vehicles. Okay, so they don&#8217;t actually change the world, if you look at the reality, but they are a hell of good step in the right direction. And it&#8217;s better to have more people believing the higher numbers of hybrids and muscle at least until they&#8217;ve taken a step towards them&#8230; </p>
<p>In my last book, <em>Strength-for-Life </em>is didn&#8217;t go for the big, big numbers but I did accept a rosy outlook on the calories while setting in place a much more complete and integrated case for gaining muscle. So, I didn&#8217;t stand on this alone&#8230;. for good reason. </p>
<p>For the purpose of your site and conversation, I can see why you desire to get real for at some point in the continuum it does matter. </p>
<p><b>As for the masses out there,</b> the people who need to get fit, gain strength, lose fat, and increase their wellbeing and energy, I think can all agree that more muscle and less fat is an across the board winner&#8211;all math aside. </p>
<p>And I agree with your statement: <em>&#8220;I expect the major effect to be from the effort of stimulating muscle mass gains along with the energy needed to synthesize that muscle tissue.  But once it’s there it doesn’t burn many calories.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Which really tends to make it a bit of a moot point for if its the gaining of muscle that is really the burn and the story of calories being incinerated gets people to take this action, has not the means justified the ends? Or better yet, perhaps they are getting the desired benefit regardless.</p>
<p>And say this person gets the muscle packed on, now they have to work to keep it, to shape it. They are now more aware, more engaged and likely vested in their new body shape and strength&#8230; they&#8217;ve completed some feedback loop that has engaged them and we know have them on &#8220;our side&#8221; &#8211; the good side, the bright side. </p>
<p>And then, you&#8217;re hear to help them better understand how to improve, sustain, elevate&#8230; life and separate and the like&#8230; </p>
<p><b>&#8230;or something like that. </b></p>
<p>Appreciate your Insights&#8230; </p>
<p><b>In Strength&#8230;</b></p>
<p>Your Friend, </p>
<p>Shawn Phillips</p>
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		<title>By: lylemcd</title>
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		<dc:creator>lylemcd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kenny: There are various methodologies used for measuring energy expenditure that were discussed in the paper.  I didn&#039;t get into it since I didn&#039;t think it would be that valuable to most people.  Currently, sort of the &#039;cutting edge&#039; of measurement technique is to measure oxygen uptake by measuring arteriovenous differences in O2 (using very small catheters).  Previous work looked at tissue fuel use in vitro.  Thanks for the grammar catch.

Boldizar: The body does increase energy expenditure (through either shivering or non-shivering thermogenesis) in response to cold but I&quot;m not sure I can quantify it (it will also depend on the degree of temperature decrease).

A Jones: As stated in the article:

&quot;Practically, this means that equations that estimate resting energy expenditure based solely on body weight will tend to overestimate larger individuals to some degree.  Of course, as I recently discussed in Adjusting the Diet, since all estimates of energy expenditure and/or caloric intake have to be adjusted based on real-world changes anyhow, I’m not sure how important this is practically.&quot;

So there will tend to be a skewing at very high or low BMI/bodyfat/bodyweight levels due to varying proportions of organs to other tissues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kenny: There are various methodologies used for measuring energy expenditure that were discussed in the paper.  I didn&#8217;t get into it since I didn&#8217;t think it would be that valuable to most people.  Currently, sort of the &#8216;cutting edge&#8217; of measurement technique is to measure oxygen uptake by measuring arteriovenous differences in O2 (using very small catheters).  Previous work looked at tissue fuel use in vitro.  Thanks for the grammar catch.</p>
<p>Boldizar: The body does increase energy expenditure (through either shivering or non-shivering thermogenesis) in response to cold but I&#8221;m not sure I can quantify it (it will also depend on the degree of temperature decrease).</p>
<p>A Jones: As stated in the article:</p>
<p>&#8220;Practically, this means that equations that estimate resting energy expenditure based solely on body weight will tend to overestimate larger individuals to some degree.  Of course, as I recently discussed in Adjusting the Diet, since all estimates of energy expenditure and/or caloric intake have to be adjusted based on real-world changes anyhow, I’m not sure how important this is practically.&#8221;</p>
<p>So there will tend to be a skewing at very high or low BMI/bodyfat/bodyweight levels due to varying proportions of organs to other tissues.</p>
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		<title>By: A Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems to me that the generic caloric requirements at say 14-16 kcal/lb for maintenance only work at certain normal BMI ranges...once you get to the extreme highs and lows, you have to adjust (lower for bigger bmi, higher for smaller bmi) since both muscle and fat are almost inert vs the organs which everyone has.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to me that the generic caloric requirements at say 14-16 kcal/lb for maintenance only work at certain normal BMI ranges&#8230;once you get to the extreme highs and lows, you have to adjust (lower for bigger bmi, higher for smaller bmi) since both muscle and fat are almost inert vs the organs which everyone has.</p>
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		<title>By: Boldizar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boldizar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could you say a bit about how much energy is used in heating the body? I have a friend who wore shorts and a T-shirt until the thermometer dropped below -15 celsius (in Montreal), and he was adamant that it was his primary weight loss tool. (He&#039;s a professor of paleontology, so has a biology background.)

Heat does use up electricity, batteries, etc., at a very fast rate, and intuitively my friend&#039;s approach seems logical, but I&#039;ve never seen any studies backing it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could you say a bit about how much energy is used in heating the body? I have a friend who wore shorts and a T-shirt until the thermometer dropped below -15 celsius (in Montreal), and he was adamant that it was his primary weight loss tool. (He&#8217;s a professor of paleontology, so has a biology background.)</p>
<p>Heat does use up electricity, batteries, etc., at a very fast rate, and intuitively my friend&#8217;s approach seems logical, but I&#8217;ve never seen any studies backing it up.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that was fascinating and although it contradicts with conventional wisdom does seem intuitive.  Why would muscle burn massive amounts of calories at rest, anyway?  It&#039;s not being called on to do anything, whereas the brain (in some people) and the liver, heart and other organs are busy at work all the time.  

One question -- what was the methodology for identifying the rates in the table by tissue type?  Did they cut people apart?

Also, I would note that this study will likely be used to show the exact opposite of your conclusion because one could truthfully say that muscle mass burns 3 TIMES the amount of calories as fat. I can see the come-ons now.

Finally, although I think the level of writing in your column is excellent and in a league of its own in this field, I feel compelled to point out that the expression should be written &quot;suffice it to say&quot; and not &quot;sufficed to say.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that was fascinating and although it contradicts with conventional wisdom does seem intuitive.  Why would muscle burn massive amounts of calories at rest, anyway?  It&#8217;s not being called on to do anything, whereas the brain (in some people) and the liver, heart and other organs are busy at work all the time.  </p>
<p>One question &#8212; what was the methodology for identifying the rates in the table by tissue type?  Did they cut people apart?</p>
<p>Also, I would note that this study will likely be used to show the exact opposite of your conclusion because one could truthfully say that muscle mass burns 3 TIMES the amount of calories as fat. I can see the come-ons now.</p>
<p>Finally, although I think the level of writing in your column is excellent and in a league of its own in this field, I feel compelled to point out that the expression should be written &#8220;suffice it to say&#8221; and not &#8220;sufficed to say.&#8221;</p>
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