Comments on: A Short History of Beverages and How our Body Treats Them – Research Review

By: Bryan

Bryan — Thu, 19 Mar 2009 23:33:35 +0000

How do you think this would apply to protein shakes? Anecdotally, people suggest weight gain shakes to “hard gainers.” Maybe they act half-way between milk sugary drinks–appetite compensates for the whey but not for all the maltodextrine and dextrose.

By: admin

admin — Wed, 04 Mar 2009 05:35:03 +0000

Are you a rat? If the answer is ‘yes’, I’m impressed with your typing and your ability to answer my spam-trap question.

Assuming the answer is no, why do you care what happens in rats?

Because what happens in rats often doesn’t have a damn thing to do with what happens in humans.

See also: CLA, BAT and 99% of supplements that cause fat loss in rats but do jack shit in humans.

By: Jonathan

Jonathan — Wed, 04 Mar 2009 00:31:02 +0000

Regarding your recommendation to consume beverages with non-caloric sweeteners, I’m curious as to your take on this study:

“A Role for Sweet Taste: Calorie Predictive Relations in Energy Regulation by Rats”
Swithers, Susan E.; Davidson, Terry L.
Behavioral Neuroscience. Vol 122(1), Feb 2008, 161-173.
http://psycnet.apa.org/index.cfm?fa=search.displayRecord&uid=2008-01943-017

Thanks for another informative and interesting article.

By: Rambodoc

Rambodoc — Mon, 02 Mar 2009 15:42:40 +0000

I never really understood why the people who advocate the Paleo lifestyle (and possibly the EF, too) discourage milk consumption. I see a lot of vegetarians in India who can’t get enough protein without dairy sources. I myself use it a lot to give me around 45 grams of protein a day, even though I am not a vegetarian. On top of that, a lot of bodybuilders and sportsmen in India are avid milk drinkers (full-fat only!).

By: admin

admin — Sun, 01 Mar 2009 15:30:26 +0000

Adrien

Because the recommendation is not just to ‘drink milk’. It’s to ‘add a bunch of milk to what you’re already eating’.

And this gets into an issue that I’ve discussed in previous articles but will only briefly re-discuss here: ad-lib (uncontrolled) vs. controlled dietary intakes.

Most of what’s in this article is referring to the general public who, generally (ha ha) are not watching caloric intake. In that case, things that affect spontaneous food intake have pretty measurable effects on food intake. So sugary sodas do nothing but add calories, while things like a higher protein intake typically decrease it.

However, when you move to controlled food intakes (e.g. people who are counting/monitoring calories), things change. Because things are now being consciously controlled. So if you tell a hardgainer “I want you to keep eating your normal food intake and now add a gallon of milk” that’s very different than saying “Drink a gallon of milk”.

In the first situation, there is a specific recommendation to ADD the liquid calories to the diet. In the second, you would likely see compensation because they would end up eating less total food because the milk filled them up.

Lyle

By: Adrienl

Adrienl — Sun, 01 Mar 2009 07:35:17 +0000

A question that springs to mind after reading this article is the usage of milk as an easy supplement to aid weight gain in leiu of counting calories and then adding real food
This study would appear to suggest that milk can and does act as a real food due to our evolutionary history. If this is so why should milk prove easier to add than real food for most hardgainers who say they have trouble eating enough due to fullness issues, as it should prove hunger blunting, no?

my own guess would be that are over reporting their levels of hunger and milk is an easy way for them to find the time and inclination to add calories

I would be grateful to hear any comments you might have on this issue

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By: Travis

Travis — Sat, 28 Feb 2009 17:42:18 +0000

Good read. I prefer Diet A&W root beer, includes aspartame but not HFCS.

By: Eszekial

Eszekial — Sat, 28 Feb 2009 08:38:57 +0000

In my youth I would work out for hours on end in public sports and feel like i starved myself 90% of the time. I always struggled with being fat and could never figure out why.

It was probably the 5-10 cans of soda a day. They are so delicious and easy to consume, and do almost nothing for you.