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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2011 03:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lyle,
I&#039;ve just discovered your site and have been absorbing everything I can, and I&#039;d like to complement you on the fascinating job you&#039;ve done.   This article in particular is highly fascinating and it may be relevant to a somewhat different issue I&#039;ve been having with serotonin.  

Last year, I was diagnosed with an adult onset tic disorder, (Tourrette&#039;s in everything but name given that I didn&#039;t really display noticeable tics until I was 23, but identical in all other symptoms and treatment benefits.)  This led to me ceasing to take adderal and beginning to take risperidone, zoloft, and a few other things at various points (none of which i&#039;ve been taking for the last several months.) In short, the effect of these medication changes led me to a 20-25 lb weight gain over the last year (I&#039;m assuming this given that all other factors were relatively equal.)  

Cut to now, I&#039;ve been doing a fairly faithful south beach diet regimen for the last 4 weeks (very low carb, frequent portions), and exercising 5-6 days per week (weights and cardio).  I&#039;ve lost 12 pounds from 4 weeks ago. However, one unwanted change is that  my tics, which have been relatively low in frequency for the past several months, have increased dramatically during the last week or so.  The usual drivers for my tic increases are sleep loss and anxiety, but i can&#039;t claim to have experienced any significant change in either of those factors. 

While the causes of Tourrette&#039;s are a subject of ongoing research, there is evidence that it is related to problems in dopamine and/or serotonin management.  After reading this article, I&#039;m seriously considering supplementing with that alpha-lactalbumin you mentioned.  If I go through with it, I&#039;ll try to report back with my results.  I think it&#039;ll make a fairly interesting experiment if my tic levels decrease. 

Anyway, thanks again for some very thought provoking articles. 

Andrew</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lyle,<br />
I&#8217;ve just discovered your site and have been absorbing everything I can, and I&#8217;d like to complement you on the fascinating job you&#8217;ve done.   This article in particular is highly fascinating and it may be relevant to a somewhat different issue I&#8217;ve been having with serotonin.  </p>
<p>Last year, I was diagnosed with an adult onset tic disorder, (Tourrette&#8217;s in everything but name given that I didn&#8217;t really display noticeable tics until I was 23, but identical in all other symptoms and treatment benefits.)  This led to me ceasing to take adderal and beginning to take risperidone, zoloft, and a few other things at various points (none of which i&#8217;ve been taking for the last several months.) In short, the effect of these medication changes led me to a 20-25 lb weight gain over the last year (I&#8217;m assuming this given that all other factors were relatively equal.)  </p>
<p>Cut to now, I&#8217;ve been doing a fairly faithful south beach diet regimen for the last 4 weeks (very low carb, frequent portions), and exercising 5-6 days per week (weights and cardio).  I&#8217;ve lost 12 pounds from 4 weeks ago. However, one unwanted change is that  my tics, which have been relatively low in frequency for the past several months, have increased dramatically during the last week or so.  The usual drivers for my tic increases are sleep loss and anxiety, but i can&#8217;t claim to have experienced any significant change in either of those factors. </p>
<p>While the causes of Tourrette&#8217;s are a subject of ongoing research, there is evidence that it is related to problems in dopamine and/or serotonin management.  After reading this article, I&#8217;m seriously considering supplementing with that alpha-lactalbumin you mentioned.  If I go through with it, I&#8217;ll try to report back with my results.  I think it&#8217;ll make a fairly interesting experiment if my tic levels decrease. </p>
<p>Anyway, thanks again for some very thought provoking articles. </p>
<p>Andrew</p>
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		<title>By: Marochka Raduga</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marochka Raduga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Sep 2011 02:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Add me to the list of people for whom low carb proved disastrous for brain chemistry.  Mental illness runs in my family (and perhaps not coincidentally, low cholesterol-- HDL is great from my exercise, but LDL is about 1/3 what is considered normal) and I have been on Wellbutrin for about ten years.  It manages my depression in conjunction with counseling.  In &#039;07-&#039;08, I lost weight with standard caloric restriction/exercise, and then in &#039;08-&#039;09 decided to push it that last bit lower by going low carb.  Something snapped, I started binge eating sugar, and in the course of getting stable again put on all but 5 pounds that I&#039;d lost.

In the past year I&#039;ve slowly taken twenty-odd pounds back off with &quot;balanced diet,&quot; caloric restriction and exercise.  For myself, I know I need to have vegetable/fruit, whole grain, and protein at every meal, dessert with every lunch/dinner, and a small snack of low-GI toast at bedtime to keep my brain chemistry balanced.  The consistent, regular, balanced, routine meals are what work best for my brain, and therefore, my body.

I&#039;m not suggesting that anybody else would be better off this way, but I just get really tired of being made to feel like a failure.  Low carb failed me, not the other way around.  The real failure would be in knowing what worked best for myself and stubbornly ignoring those facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Add me to the list of people for whom low carb proved disastrous for brain chemistry.  Mental illness runs in my family (and perhaps not coincidentally, low cholesterol&#8211; HDL is great from my exercise, but LDL is about 1/3 what is considered normal) and I have been on Wellbutrin for about ten years.  It manages my depression in conjunction with counseling.  In &#8217;07-&#8217;08, I lost weight with standard caloric restriction/exercise, and then in &#8217;08-&#8217;09 decided to push it that last bit lower by going low carb.  Something snapped, I started binge eating sugar, and in the course of getting stable again put on all but 5 pounds that I&#8217;d lost.</p>
<p>In the past year I&#8217;ve slowly taken twenty-odd pounds back off with &#8220;balanced diet,&#8221; caloric restriction and exercise.  For myself, I know I need to have vegetable/fruit, whole grain, and protein at every meal, dessert with every lunch/dinner, and a small snack of low-GI toast at bedtime to keep my brain chemistry balanced.  The consistent, regular, balanced, routine meals are what work best for my brain, and therefore, my body.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not suggesting that anybody else would be better off this way, but I just get really tired of being made to feel like a failure.  Low carb failed me, not the other way around.  The real failure would be in knowing what worked best for myself and stubbornly ignoring those facts.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Agustin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne Agustin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 17:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find this discussion a little fluffy!

Carbohydrates are discussed as if there is only &quot;one kind&quot; with the same effects.  There are several type of carbohydrates.  

To the person who asked the question, I recommend that you read more about carbs.  They&#039;re not just starches!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find this discussion a little fluffy!</p>
<p>Carbohydrates are discussed as if there is only &#8220;one kind&#8221; with the same effects.  There are several type of carbohydrates.  </p>
<p>To the person who asked the question, I recommend that you read more about carbs.  They&#8217;re not just starches!</p>
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		<title>By: Amber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 03:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s true that anecdotes aren&#039;t science.  The whole article was based on taking some anecdotes, and forming an ad hoc explanation for why that might be, right?  I think that&#039;s fine for hypothesis generation.

You can add me to the pile of opposite anecdotes.  The lower the amount of carbohydrate I eat, the better my depression.  Even on a very low carb diet, I was often depressed (though not as badly as with more carbs) and tried many medications without much improvement.  It wasn&#039;t until I went to an all meat diet that my symptoms completely disappeared.  Now I am medication-free, and have a happier, more stable mood than ever in my adult life.  (I&#039;m 37.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s true that anecdotes aren&#8217;t science.  The whole article was based on taking some anecdotes, and forming an ad hoc explanation for why that might be, right?  I think that&#8217;s fine for hypothesis generation.</p>
<p>You can add me to the pile of opposite anecdotes.  The lower the amount of carbohydrate I eat, the better my depression.  Even on a very low carb diet, I was often depressed (though not as badly as with more carbs) and tried many medications without much improvement.  It wasn&#8217;t until I went to an all meat diet that my symptoms completely disappeared.  Now I am medication-free, and have a happier, more stable mood than ever in my adult life.  (I&#8217;m 37.)</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 01:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article. I can relate completely as I suffer horribly on a low carb diet with moderate depression, severe brain fog and severe insomnia. The only time I slept is after a refeed.

Currently on a ketogenic diet and feeling great with none of the above problems. I have been taking 5-htp with l-tyrosine twice a day at high doses. I started low and titrated up until the symproms resolved. My understanding is that 5-HTP and Dopamine use the same enzyme to convert the amino acid precursors to serotonin and dopimine. Taking one without the other can deplete neurotransmitters. Some claim this to be the main reason for amino acid repletion failure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article. I can relate completely as I suffer horribly on a low carb diet with moderate depression, severe brain fog and severe insomnia. The only time I slept is after a refeed.</p>
<p>Currently on a ketogenic diet and feeling great with none of the above problems. I have been taking 5-htp with l-tyrosine twice a day at high doses. I started low and titrated up until the symproms resolved. My understanding is that 5-HTP and Dopamine use the same enzyme to convert the amino acid precursors to serotonin and dopimine. Taking one without the other can deplete neurotransmitters. Some claim this to be the main reason for amino acid repletion failure.</p>
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		<title>By: lylemcd</title>
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		<dc:creator>lylemcd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Nov 2010 17:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And if anecdotes were science....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And if anecdotes were science&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: dcguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>dcguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Nov 2010 17:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to be on two antidepressant medications (Cymbalta and Mirtazipine) at very high dosage, which kept my depression at bay.  At various times, I tried to lower the dosages, but my depression would sneak back up, so I kept the dosages high.  Then I discovered Robb Wolf and went paleo, pretty low carb (most days 45-70g of carbs; on workout days, with sweet potatoes, the carbs are higher).  After a number of weeks on paleo, I was able to get off of all my medications, and I have ZERO depressive symptoms.  It has been amazing.  And my carb intake is really low 4-5 days per week, and the other days are only moderately high in carbs.

I used to mock paleo, but it has worked wonders for my life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to be on two antidepressant medications (Cymbalta and Mirtazipine) at very high dosage, which kept my depression at bay.  At various times, I tried to lower the dosages, but my depression would sneak back up, so I kept the dosages high.  Then I discovered Robb Wolf and went paleo, pretty low carb (most days 45-70g of carbs; on workout days, with sweet potatoes, the carbs are higher).  After a number of weeks on paleo, I was able to get off of all my medications, and I have ZERO depressive symptoms.  It has been amazing.  And my carb intake is really low 4-5 days per week, and the other days are only moderately high in carbs.</p>
<p>I used to mock paleo, but it has worked wonders for my life.</p>
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		<title>By: Keenan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keenan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Nov 2010 15:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Depression from LOW carbing? That is very strange. 

Back in 2005, I dealt with severe anxiety (and sometimes depression, both serotonin disorders) that I treated WITH a low-carb paleo diet. Like clockwork, eating carbs in excess (Over 100-150g) and especially from bad sources like grains would result in a panic attack 48 hours later.   It took my a while to figure it out because of the delay, but I kept a food journal for months and found that correlation. After five years of getting my serotonin in balance, I can now tolerate high carbs post workout without too many ill effects. 

I wonder if the OP is really experiencing depression from lowering carbs, or withdrawal from wheat: http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com/2010/11/why-do-morphine-blocking-drugs-make-you.html

Also, how about tanning once a week and supplementing with Vitamin D? Does wonders for depression, especially of the seasonal variety.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Depression from LOW carbing? That is very strange. </p>
<p>Back in 2005, I dealt with severe anxiety (and sometimes depression, both serotonin disorders) that I treated WITH a low-carb paleo diet. Like clockwork, eating carbs in excess (Over 100-150g) and especially from bad sources like grains would result in a panic attack 48 hours later.   It took my a while to figure it out because of the delay, but I kept a food journal for months and found that correlation. After five years of getting my serotonin in balance, I can now tolerate high carbs post workout without too many ill effects. </p>
<p>I wonder if the OP is really experiencing depression from lowering carbs, or withdrawal from wheat: <a href="http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com/2010/11/why-do-morphine-blocking-drugs-make-you.html" rel="nofollow">http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com/2010/11/why-do-morphine-blocking-drugs-make-you.html</a></p>
<p>Also, how about tanning once a week and supplementing with Vitamin D? Does wonders for depression, especially of the seasonal variety.</p>
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		<title>By: Deborah Fisher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deborah Fisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2010 21:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the great info. I get very depressed on a low carb diet but thought it was &quot;just me&quot;...  I crave pasta and comfort food and always feel better afterward.  Now I know the reason behind my cravings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the great info. I get very depressed on a low carb diet but thought it was &#8220;just me&#8221;&#8230;  I crave pasta and comfort food and always feel better afterward.  Now I know the reason behind my cravings.</p>
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		<title>By: lylemcd</title>
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		<dc:creator>lylemcd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 14:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t think of any way that this would be the case offhand but that doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s not possible.  The easiest test would be to simply drop it and see what happens.  Also consider that weight loss is rarely linear, there are often stalls and drops (there is an article on the site about whooshes along with other stuff about water balance) and women often have bigger issues due to the vagaries of the menstrual cycle.  So it&#039;s not uncommon for weight to stabilize and then suddenly drop by a large amount overnight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t think of any way that this would be the case offhand but that doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s not possible.  The easiest test would be to simply drop it and see what happens.  Also consider that weight loss is rarely linear, there are often stalls and drops (there is an article on the site about whooshes along with other stuff about water balance) and women often have bigger issues due to the vagaries of the menstrual cycle.  So it&#8217;s not uncommon for weight to stabilize and then suddenly drop by a large amount overnight.</p>
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