So, let’s sum up:
1. Christian Thibdeau claims, using a top secret protocol that he gained 27 lbs of muscle in 6 weeks, putting him at a lean body mass that not only exceeds (by far) the muscularity of any natural bodybuilder but that of many (known to be steroid using) Mr. Olympia contenders.

2. In doing so, he claims that he reached a strength level in the overhead press that, as Casey Butt os clearly showed, would put him at a strength level above and beyond just about every top athlete EVER.

3. Thib claims that a supersecret training protocol, utilized with the new Anaconda product allowed his athletes (using steroids) to gain 30 lbs of muscle in 9 weeks. Pretty amazing that he gained 27 lbs in 6 weeks ‘naturally’ but they only gained 30 in 9 weeks?

None of the above claims, so far as can be told, have any proof beyond Thib’s assertion that they are true. No video, no before and after photos, just his claim that that’s what happened.

In contrast, science clearly shows a limit to how much lean body mass can be held by natural bodybuilders. And, as Alan showed in this piece, and as mentioned above, Thib would now be carrying more muscle (claiming he is natural) than many Mr. Olympia competitors.

The product, released by T-nation, called anaconda has as its primary ingredient hydrolyzed casein. Which objective science shows is not only NOT superior to intact casein but is infact inferior as hell and providing less amino acids to skeletal muscle because more is lost to digestion, more is used for energy in the live, and more is used in the gut for protein sythesis.

And since it’s inception, the major report from users appears to be a combination of explosive shitting and puking due to the absolute absurdity of the protocol.

Yet the T-nation faithful, every desparate to believe, refuse to accept logic or science and prefer unverified claims and bullshit. And all the while TC and his cronies will laugh all the way to the bank. Just like they’ve been doing since the exception of the site.

And that’s why I’m closing this thread. The faitful don’t want science or facts, they want to beleive the hype. And as I’m fond of saying: you can’t argue with stupid.

In closing, I leave readers with two things.

The first is this: mark my words, 3-6 months from now, after the Anaconda protocol fails completely (which it will), T-nation will pretend that this never happened. They will blame the end user for the lack of results, for not following the training or being hardcore enough.

But after it fails, they will make no mention of it and will simply cue up the next bit hype/scam for the desparate to take advantage of (and watch them delete all negative commentary from their forums afterwards). T

hose of you who so loudly defended T-nation and anaconda in the comment, please keep this in mind. In 6 months you can come back to this thread and wish that you had listened to Alan and I.

You may wonder how I know this, here’s how: I’ve been following the supplement industry for nearly 20 years, as has Alan. This is how it works, this is how it always works. The magazines introduce the newest hyped con, the suckers line up and part with their hard earned money and 6 months later they do it all again. And nobody ever learns or listens.

Finally, I leave you with the following quote:
“It’s obvious that most men have a hard time gaining 15-25 pounds of muscle in a year (in my opinion this size improvement will lead to signficant visible changes.”

Here’s where it comes from: Theory and Application of Modern Strength and Power Methods, 2nd Edition by a Mister Christian Thibadeau with Tony Schwartz. Page 82.

So here’s a question for the T-nation faithful. Given Thib’s claims for Anaconda and the Black Ops project, why does it diverge so much from what he put in his book?

Was he lying in his book or in his claims on T-nation?

When you figure out the answer to that last question, you might just be a little bit brighter for it.

All the objective scientific proof has been provided (or linked) for you here in the article above, and in the responses below it. Let me strongly suggest you give both the article & the comments another thorough comb-through. Then read Lyle’s article I linked discussing casein hydro.

Wanting to learn & become educated is one thing. Professing your faith and hope in a truly obnoxious supp advertising campaign is another thing entirely.

By the way, I still think you’re a shill

Later.

ALAN… I’m the one who doesn’t answer questions fully? You seem to avoid every thing with slant techniques… I told you my name and that there’s no way you know me, why would you want my T-Nation profile? what could you possibly use that for? and what is this utter bullshit I believe in? Is it that:

A) I’m lying that when I say that, worked into my monthly grocery bills, I don’t end up spending a significant extra amount (if any) on supplements?

B) You disagree that some athetes have been using Anaconda… be it free or supplied to by a trainer

C) you disagree that you have a habit of slamming any opposing views by either bashing them, dismissing them, or using slants + you have an agenda

cause those are pretty much the only three statements I’ve made so far…

as for people that disagree with things you say,; newbs, shills, trolls aren’t the only existing options…. If not, do you go around using this logic in your everyday life “Hun, I think we should get a van and you don’t, therefore you’re either a troll, a shill, or a newb…”

MOST OF YOU who say they got censored by t-nation, I don’t know what you’re posting…. but I once commented a TC article by saying it was “moronic and the attitude pretty much summed up everything that was wrong with the gym world” and I didn’t get censored, I actually got a well thought-out rebuttle… just saying

LYLE, I think locking the thread is a mistake. Isn’t that what so many people here are accusing T-Nation of doing?… why is it no longer fruitful?

And I want to reiterate that I never came in here with the intention of bashing. I only found this site because I was looking up other sources talking about Anaconda. Had it not been of the foul smell of agenda, I would’ve read and moved on… I had read articles written by both you and Alan in the past, but it was my first visiting the site…. and the fact that attention is so often brought to biotest products, I can’t help but think it’s somewhat of a tactic to get people looking up t-nation material to your site. Type “alan aragon” on google and “alan aragon I bodybuilder” is like the first suggestion….

and if it were true that it was easy to sell “crap supplements” to uninformed masses, I would’ve started my own line ages ago…. I think it’s easier to convince an uninformed person that they don’t need to spend money on supplements, rather than convincing them they do….and I’m sure quite a few people were considering but hesitant to buy a biotest product, and decided to search outside the site and found you immediately, and were probably easily conviced to save their money…. and I’m not telling all these people that they should go back and take a plunge investing their hard earned cash in something they haven’t researched at all… I’m actually saying that, depending on your goals, finances, priorities, make an INFORMED decision on what you need and don’t need… don’t buy Anaconda just cause TC told you to….. and don’t believe it’s all utter bullshit just cause Alan Aragon “enlightened” you…

Wait and see how long it is before the T-nation moderators make posts like that disappear from the Anaconda forum

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“I guess I’m a wimp when it comes to that amount of water… I officially puked on our brand new rubber flooring. I guess I shouldn’t have forced the water down. It really didn’t look like so much in the bottle, but my tummy said otherwise.”

“And to everyone else, I won’t lie, the 2L plus the finibars, and my breakfast an hour before is rough. I can handle it, but by the end of the workout I feel like I would after thanksgiving dinner or something.”

“After the workout I got back to work and shat like a banshee. Seriously have never had so much liquid come out that end. Anyone else experience this yet? Should I start with a lower dose perhaps?”

“Yep, I nearly puked after yesterday’s workout. I had to cut [my workout] short because of the nausea- cotton-mouthed too (strange, considering all the liquid I was consuming). I was determined to keep my dollars down, so rather than explode, I stopped about 300ml from finishing, packed up my bag, went home, and just…sat (watched TUF finale). I was fine after about an hour, then finished up the Protocol. Oh…I too shat like a banshee”

“I spend about $80-$100 in supplements per month…is that blinnnnndd? hardly…. this peri-workout strategy allows you to hit 4000 calories a day by only eating 4 meals a day + the protocol….. in my mind that’s like paying $5 or so a day for a 1400 calorie or so meal that contains quality protein and quality carbs… It may be unnafordable to some, and I fully respect that , but for others it’s a sound investment… it’s probably one of the better and cheaper options to add calories to your diet…..sure, adding a ton of sugar would be a cheaper way, but that’s not something I’d put my body through…..”

I find this statement highly amusing, mainly due to the irony of it. Adding a ton of sugar would be a cheaper way, well guess what the main Carbohydrate source in Finibars is…. Rice Oligodextrin and isomalutose. So 3 bars (as per the protcol recommendations) is 120g of starch and palintose – a sugar. Wow, that’s quality nutrition right there.

All of which could be got from wholefoods with the associated mirconutrients a lot cheaper

“Back to the issue of Anaconda, a couple of people on the protocol have complained of indigestion from drinking 2-3 liters of water, 2 dried out protein bars, and 100g of powdered protein in the half hour prior to their workout. Also, 2-3 people have said that they straight out puked it out. This doesn’t sound like a protocol that’s worth 350$.”

Wow, T-nation really has a winner with this, don’t they. Not only will no-one make the claimed results, folks are already having negative responses.

Mark my words: 3 months from now T-nation will pretend none of this never happened. The claims will be nowhere to be seen on the site and they’ll unleash the next scam for the t-faithful to eat up with a spoon.

Or perhaps puke out.

ha ha.

I’ve given T-Muscle some leeway with unabashedly hyping their products due to the fact that they do have some good articles on the site. After seeing the pricing of Anaconda, the truly ridiculous levels of hype surrounding it, and the one-sided forum moderation, I have decided to boycott all of their products.

Many thanks go out to Alan and Lyle for backing up their assertions with research, allowing dissenting opinions to be heard, and actually responding to them!