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		<title>By: lylemcd</title>
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		<dc:creator>lylemcd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 15:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Poncho: There is no indication that the body will ever completely normalize all systems once the person is taken well below their biological setpoint.  The dieted down person will never achieve the same physiology as the geneticall lean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poncho: There is no indication that the body will ever completely normalize all systems once the person is taken well below their biological setpoint.  The dieted down person will never achieve the same physiology as the geneticall lean.</p>
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		<title>By: Alana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 18:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a fat woman doing what I can to lose it. I found your site a few days ago and I have been reading as much as I can. 

I want to thank you for this article, in particular.  I find it utterly fascinating to learn how fat affects how our bodies function--and that those of us who were/are &quot;fatties&quot; face an entirely different situation physiologically when it comes to having &quot;great bods.&quot; 

I deeply appreciate your review of the research and for making this information available. Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a fat woman doing what I can to lose it. I found your site a few days ago and I have been reading as much as I can. </p>
<p>I want to thank you for this article, in particular.  I find it utterly fascinating to learn how fat affects how our bodies function&#8211;and that those of us who were/are &#8220;fatties&#8221; face an entirely different situation physiologically when it comes to having &#8220;great bods.&#8221; </p>
<p>I deeply appreciate your review of the research and for making this information available. Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Poncho</title>
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		<dc:creator>Poncho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Lyle, thanks for this superinformative article. I&#039;ve got a question I am hoping you can clear up. I apologize in advance if my question seems convoluted.

You write, per your 2nd recommendation: &quot;After finishing your diet, regardless of how lean you get, take 2 weeks to eat at roughly maintenance calorie levels before starting your mass gaining phase. The reason has to do with the physiological adaptations to dieting described briefly above. **Although you can’t reverse all of them short of getting fat again (or fixing the problem pharmaceutically), 2 weeks at maintenance,** which by definition should be higher calories than you were eating on your diet, will help to normalize some of them. Leptin, thyroid, SNS output should improve a bit, along with other hormones, putting you in a better place to gain mass without super excessive fat gain...&quot;

Are you saying that no amount of caloric maintenance time after, say, dieting down to 8% without &quot;getting fat again&quot; will normalize physiological adaptations to simulate, even if imperfectly, the way genetically lean people naturally and disproportionately put on LBM? And that at best we should expect most adaptations to occur after 2 weeks at maintenance?

This question stems from the distinction you draw between genetically lean people and dieted down lean people. Most of the reasons you give for refuting the idea that dieted down lean people can achieve the same &quot;bulking&quot; results as genetically lean people seem more to do with the diet aspect (provisional hormonal and neurochemical changes) and not with being non-genetically gifted. In other words, to try to make my dumbass make sense here I&#039;ll use a hypothetical, if I reach 8 or 9% bf and stay there for several months (or what have you), eating at maintenance, will my body emerge from whatever hormonal environment it existed in during the diet and begin to take on characteristics (whatever that means) of a genetically lean individual, even though obviously I wouldn&#039;t be a genetically lean person, thus allowing me to then bulk up without worrying about fat gain as much as if I were bulking immediately (or even 2 weeks) after a diet? Can I have my cake and eat it too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Lyle, thanks for this superinformative article. I&#8217;ve got a question I am hoping you can clear up. I apologize in advance if my question seems convoluted.</p>
<p>You write, per your 2nd recommendation: &#8220;After finishing your diet, regardless of how lean you get, take 2 weeks to eat at roughly maintenance calorie levels before starting your mass gaining phase. The reason has to do with the physiological adaptations to dieting described briefly above. **Although you can’t reverse all of them short of getting fat again (or fixing the problem pharmaceutically), 2 weeks at maintenance,** which by definition should be higher calories than you were eating on your diet, will help to normalize some of them. Leptin, thyroid, SNS output should improve a bit, along with other hormones, putting you in a better place to gain mass without super excessive fat gain&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Are you saying that no amount of caloric maintenance time after, say, dieting down to 8% without &#8220;getting fat again&#8221; will normalize physiological adaptations to simulate, even if imperfectly, the way genetically lean people naturally and disproportionately put on LBM? And that at best we should expect most adaptations to occur after 2 weeks at maintenance?</p>
<p>This question stems from the distinction you draw between genetically lean people and dieted down lean people. Most of the reasons you give for refuting the idea that dieted down lean people can achieve the same &#8220;bulking&#8221; results as genetically lean people seem more to do with the diet aspect (provisional hormonal and neurochemical changes) and not with being non-genetically gifted. In other words, to try to make my dumbass make sense here I&#8217;ll use a hypothetical, if I reach 8 or 9% bf and stay there for several months (or what have you), eating at maintenance, will my body emerge from whatever hormonal environment it existed in during the diet and begin to take on characteristics (whatever that means) of a genetically lean individual, even though obviously I wouldn&#8217;t be a genetically lean person, thus allowing me to then bulk up without worrying about fat gain as much as if I were bulking immediately (or even 2 weeks) after a diet? Can I have my cake and eat it too?</p>
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		<title>By: audioscape</title>
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		<dc:creator>audioscape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 06:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow. awesome article. I&#039;m almost at 15% so I&#039;ll try to lean down to 10% before any new attempts of mass gaining.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow. awesome article. I&#8217;m almost at 15% so I&#8217;ll try to lean down to 10% before any new attempts of mass gaining.</p>
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		<title>By: At What Bodyfat Should You Cut or Bulk? - Lean Bulk Forums</title>
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		<dc:creator>At What Bodyfat Should You Cut or Bulk? - Lean Bulk Forums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 19:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] fat on (and most other physiological systems are screwed up as well) when you get super lean.    Initial Body Fat and Body Composition Changes &#124; BodyRecomposition - The Home of Lyle McDonald    __________________ BS Exercise Physiology NSCA Member IFFI  Mod is a concept...by which, we [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] fat on (and most other physiological systems are screwed up as well) when you get super lean.    Initial Body Fat and Body Composition Changes | BodyRecomposition &#8211; The Home of Lyle McDonald    __________________ BS Exercise Physiology NSCA Member IFFI  Mod is a concept&#8230;by which, we [...]</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suggest doing exactly what the article says to do under practical recommendations.

Lyle</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suggest doing exactly what the article says to do under practical recommendations.</p>
<p>Lyle</p>
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		<title>By: RST</title>
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		<dc:creator>RST</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Lyle,
Great article.  I thought of something similar a while ago and am glad to hear that someone with knowledge and authority thinks it&#039;s a good idea.  You mention that ~15% should be the upper limit for men.  Here&#039;s my question: I&#039;m 5&#039;9&quot; 160 lbs and somewhere around 14% bf.....do I gain, or try to get lean?  Getting leans seems silly because I would end up being 150 lbs or so, but gaining and getting fat isn&#039;t a great option either.  What do you suggest?  I hate being skinny-fat :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Lyle,<br />
Great article.  I thought of something similar a while ago and am glad to hear that someone with knowledge and authority thinks it&#8217;s a good idea.  You mention that ~15% should be the upper limit for men.  Here&#8217;s my question: I&#8217;m 5&#8242;9&#8243; 160 lbs and somewhere around 14% bf&#8230;..do I gain, or try to get lean?  Getting leans seems silly because I would end up being 150 lbs or so, but gaining and getting fat isn&#8217;t a great option either.  What do you suggest?  I hate being skinny-fat <img src='http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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