Training the Obese Beginner: Part 1
Ok, as promised, I want to continue writing from a comment I made last Friday in Fasted Cardio and Fat Loss – Q&A and attempted to bridge with Tuesday’s Biggest Loser Feedback where an actual show contestant was kind enough to detail some of what they go through to get the amazing results. I’d note that comments or questions regarding the training of the extremely obese beginner often come up on the support forum so my hopes are that this article will cover those as well.
As usual, I’m going to be a bit long-winded so I’m going to divide this up into two parts. Today I want to focus mainly on some of the underlying physiology that occurs in the obese (and make no mistake, what I want to cover won’t be anywhere close to comprehensive; I’ll focus on issues relevant to fat loss); next Tuesday I want to look at some practical issues that I find many forget when they give advice and/or train the obese hands-on.
Today, what I actually want to do is expand on a comment I made in Fasted Cardio and Fat Loss – Q&A which was this:
At the other extreme, that is in the very obese (here I’m talking about perhaps 35%+ body fat for men and 40%+ for women), the reverse problem is present. There are tons of fatty acids floating around in the bloodstream, but for a variety of reasons, oxidation has become impaired. To fully discuss this issue (along with approaches of fixing it) would require a full article and I won’t say much more about this group here.
While I could simply detail that, I feel that there are other issues worth discussing when looking at the training of the extremely obese and that’s what I’m going to do in this article series.
.Defining Some Terms
By extremely obese here, I’m primarily using body fat percentage as the determinant. A male at 35%+ body fat and a female at 40%+ are in that category. It’s possible to see even higher numbers; 50-60% isn’t unheard of at the real extremes of obesity.
I won’t mess around with BMI (for discussion of this see Measuring Body Composition Part 1) though it tends to be pretty accurate in this group. That is, while they exist (usually heavier strength/power athletes taking steroids), you don’t see a lot of people at 300+ lbs body weight who aren’t carrying a lot of fat.
I’d also note that it is possible for relatively lighter individuals to carry quite a bit of body fat and much of what I’m going to discuss in terms of underlying physiological ‘defects’ will apply to that group. But for individuals who are carrying both extra weight AND fat, there are issues (mainly issues of programming) that are critical to take into account. I’ll cover those practical issues more in Part 2.
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So We are Very Clear
As one final pedantic note, so nobody takes me the wrong way, I used the term ‘defect’ above and will continue to use that throughout the article but I want to make it absolutely clear that I’m using it in its literal sense. That is, many physiological systems become impaired (and whether or not this is a cause or a consequence of obesity is still up to debate) in obesity; that is they are defective relative to what is considered ‘normal’ physiology (normal being another loaded word).
But I am NOT using this to try to suggest any sort of negative fashion as if obesity is some sort of defective condition. That is, the word ‘defect’ tends to have very negative connotations (in the same way that the literal meaning of ‘abnormal’ and the connotations that it carries are different) and I am absolutely NOT using the term in that sense. Are we clear? I’m using the term literally here, not connotatively. And that is too a word.
Insulin Resistance/Syndrome X: Part 1
If there is a singular metabolic issue (and it’s really a cluster of issues) that tends to go hand in hand with obesity, it’s what used to be called Syndrome X and is now called the metabolic syndrome. I’d note that while obesity tends to be one of the largest predisposing factors to development, it’s neither a guarantee nor a requirement.
That is, there is a proportion of people who despite being obese are metabolically ‘normal’ or ‘healthy’. It’s also possible to have elements of the Metabolic Syndrome (typically insulin resistance which is what I’ll focus on) and not be overweight. But, with that said, on average, obesity tends to drastically increase the risk of developing the Metabolic Syndrome.
Now, the metabolic syndrome, as noted, is actually a cluster of different things including issues with dysregulated blood lipid levels, high blood pressure and a shedload of other things. I’m not going to focus on those since they don’t have much relevance to the main thrust of this article which is fat loss. What I want to focus on is insulin resistance.
Now, insulin resistance, in rather simple terms, simply refers to a situation where various tissues in the body including skeletal muscle, liver and fat cells no longer respond appropriately to the signal sent by the hormone insulin. This has a number of consequences not the least of which is that blood sugar levels tend to become dysregulated.
There is not only typically an increase in fasting blood sugar levels (which is actually diagnostic for the syndrome/pre diabetes) but some strange things can occur in response to the ingestion of carbohydrates. Usually there is an overproduction of insulin in response to their consumption which can drive blood sugar too low and cause reactive hypoglycemia and/or hunger.
As well, because the liver is no longer responding appropriately to the signal sent by insulin, other bad things happen that I’m not going to detail here. Of some importance, and I’d note that the causes of insulin resistance are very involved, is the fact that, when whole body insulin resistance develops, fat cells become resistant to the effects of insulin. This has a couple of consequences one of which is that insulin no longer inhibits fatty acid release which is part of what I was alluding to in the section I quoted myself on above.
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Insulin Resistance: Part 2
That is, in normal physiology, in response to an increase in insulin levels (due to carbohydrate or protein consumption), the body will reduce fatty acid levels. But in the obese, this pathway is inhibited (this is also part of why drugs that cause insulin resistance such as growth hormone, clenbuterol or ephedrine, often improve fat loss). But insulin resistance at the fat cell is part of why there tend to be lots of fatty acids floating around in the bloodstream all the time.
This is actually part of what causes further insulin resistance (especially at skeletal muscle cells): chronically elevated blood fatty acids. Of course, in that insulin is involved in fat storage, this also means that incoming calories no longer have anywhere to ‘go’ since insulin is no longer playing its storage role. This is part of what leads to the increase in blood levels of glucose, fatty acids, etc. they can’t be stored where they belong.
In a very real sense, this is an adaptation to obesity that attempts to push calories away from fat cells (towards burning elsewhere). I’ve talked about in my books (especially The Ultimate Diet 2.0) that, in this sense, under certain conditions, being insulin resistant can be a ‘good’ thing.
This is especially true under both low-carbohydrate and low-calorie dieting. If the fat cells are trying to keep calories out (and push them to burning elsewhere), this facilitates fat loss. In this vein, one of the major adaptations to getting leaner is a massive increase in insulin sensitivity, which is part of what makes further fat mobilization more difficult as folks get leaner.
But going back to the obese, this adaptation is only beneficial IF other tissues are able to optimally burn those fatty acids off. Which is what I’ll come back to next.
I’ll finish up this section by pointing out that insulin resistance has some practical implications in terms of the choice of diets. Whether or not they have an actual ‘metabolic advantage’ in terms of fat loss, it’s become clear that reduced carbohydrate (and increased protein/fat) diets improve a variety of metabolic parameters associated with the metabolic syndrome. This is even more the case if weight/fat loss occurs.
I’ll come back to this in part 2 and I’d refer readers to Insulin Sensitivity and Fat Loss on the site. I’d also refer readers to Insulin Levels and Fat Loss – Q&A for more information about the issue of insulin and fat loss. Moving on.
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RER, RQ, and NPRQ
No, not the talk-radio station. First off, RER refers to respiratory exchange ratio, RQ to respiratory quotient and NPRQ to non-protein respiratory quotient. All three refer to basically the same thing and I’ll use RER from here on out. And what they refer to is the mix of fuel being used by the body both at rest and during activity. I won’t bore you with the details, basically these three things are all a measure of the ratio of oxygen being consumed and carbon dioxide being produced and this is used as a proxy for fuel use in the body.
That is, biochemically we know that the burning of carbohydrates has an RER of 1.0 (1 molecule of O2 metabolized for each molecule of CO2). The burning of fat has an RER of 0.7. Protein is somewhere in the middle (about 0.86 or so depending on the protein source).
So given that a whole bunch of conditions that I’m not going to bore you with are met (one critical one is steady state conditions so that means rest or aerobic activity, measuring RER during anaerobic activity is problematic), a measurement of RER tells you what the body is using for fuel. I’d mention that since protein rarely contributes massively to fuel use in the body, protein is typically ignored. That’s what NPRQ refers to: it’s the non-protein respiratory quotient. I’ll ignore protein here.
In any case, an RER of 0.7 would indicate 100% fat use, an RER of 1.0 would indicate 100% carb use. Every value in-between those two extremes means a mix of fuels (lower equals more fat oxidation, higher more carb oxidation) and charts can be Googled if you care. I’d note that some odd situations will cause an RER of below 0.7 to show up, it’s an oddity to do with carbon dioxide metabolism with ketogenic diets and you needn’t worry about it.
So what determines RER? Well a bunch of things. Gender (RER can change throughout the cycle), training status (more training tends to lower RER), and probably genetics all play a role. Of some importance, habitual diet can affect things massively, in at least two ways.
As I discussed in Nutrient Intake, Nutrient Storage and Nutrient Oxidation and then expounded upon in How We Get Fat the body adjusts fuel use to intake; ignoring protein carbohydrate intake tends to influence things the most. Eat more carbs and you burn more carbs and less fat (RER goes up).
As well, the status of muscle glycogen influences RER profoundly; high muscle glycogen tends to impair fat burning at the expense of carbohydrate oxidation. That is, when muscle glycogen is perpetually raised, the body burns more carbs and burns less fat. Keep this in mind when I talk about diet in Part 2.
So what’s my point? Well, two points actually. The first is that many studies have found that the obese have a higher resting RER on average; that is they tend to preferentially burn carbohydrates for fuel. A study that just came out found that resting RER was predictive of RER during activity; that is folks who burn more carbs at rest burn more during exercise and vice-versa.
The second is that habitual diet (and a diet high in both carbohydrates and fats, and I’m talking about a diet that is, by definition, in excess of maintenance calories) can be a cause of further problems such as impaired fat burning and a preferential usage of carbohydrates. Again, I’ll talk more about this in Part 2.
And this brings me in a roundabout way to my original quote from last Friday’s piece, the fact that the obese tend to have lots of fatty acids floating around but an impaired ability to burn them. Which brings me to the next ‘defect’.
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Impaired Mitochondrial Function
A number of studies over the past years have found evidence of impaired mitochondrial function. Now, for background, as everyone learned and promptly forgot in high-school science, mitochondria are specialized bits of the cell where things are burned, especially fatty acids.
There’s actually a fascinating history to how we gained the use of mitochondria that even I am not nerdy enough to detail here. Oh yeah, I’d be remiss in not mentioning that the mitochondria are THE POWERHOUSE OF THE CELL (an in-joke for biochem nerds).
But study after study after study finds impaired function of mitochondria in both obesity and diabetes (I’d say more of the research has been done on the latter group) and this has a number of metabolic consequences not the least of which is impaired fat oxidation (some studies also find that the obese don’t increase fat oxidation during activity as well as lean people; essentially they have lost a metabolic flexibility to switch between fuel sources).
Another consequence is that, because fatty acids can’t be burned in muscle cell (or liver) they are often deposited in inappropriate places or convert to things like ceramide that cause further problems. But that’s getting a bit deeper than I want to go here.
Now a question that always raises its ugly head here is what’s causing what. That is, does impaired mitochondrial function help to cause obesity, or does developing obesity cause the mitochondrial impairment? You can replace those terms with just about anything else you want; there’s always a big question surrounding causation.
It can be a hard question to answer sometimes and there’s a third possibility that many tend to ignore: perhaps a sub-clinical mitochondrial impairment predisposes folks towards obesity and when that’s combined with the modern diet and lifestyle, as they become obese, the problem just gets worse. Usually the truth is that third one for most of this stuff.
Usually this question is at least partially answered by seeing if weight loss and/or an increase in activity helps to reverse the ‘defect’. In the case of most aspects of the metabolic syndrome, both exercise and frank weight loss tend to improve things. Note that improve is not necessarily the same as eliminate.
I would at least point people to the Biggest Loser Feedback for the improvements he saw in heart rate, blood pressure and blood glucose in a mere 14 days. He got essentially normalization in a miniscule period of time secondary to a massive increase in activity and equally massive weight loss.
In the case of defective mitochondria, I can only think of one or two recent papers but the answer is that, yes, the ‘defect’ appears to go away with an increase in activity. We have known for decades that one adaptation to regular aerobic activity is an increase in both mitochondrial number and activity and it would be strange that this would be unable to occur unless there were some massive pathophysiology occurring.
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Other Stuff
The above doesn’t even begin to scratch the surface of everything that’s going on in the obese individual but, as I said, I’m not trying to be comprehensive here. I’d only mention a few other things before I move on, mainly as a setup for Tuesday’s application piece.
At least in terms of exercise per se, I have usually seen a few major issues that many trainers tend not to take into account. The first is really specific to commercial gyms but I find that the very obese are often intimidated as hell going into the gym. It can be tough surrounded by a bunch of skinny folks when you’re just getting started. Ensuring a positive experience from the get-go is key; again I’ll come back to this in Part 2. I’d note in this vein that studies show that having a positive experience from activity is a huge key in long-term adherence. How surprising.
Additionally, the obese often have a very low tolerance for activity. Sure, sure, you’ve watched the Biggest Loser and they jump them into hours of activity from the get-go. And many have gotten various impact injuries from it. One guy on BL Australia threw a clot as I recall, was limited to nothing but low volumes of low intensity activity afterwards. Amusingly, he lost the most weight. There might be a lesson there.
And make no mistake, they are going to kill someone with this silly bullshit. I’ve seen it happen locally (the local Gold’s Gym killed a guy years ago by running him through intense activity right off the bat; he dropped dead of a heart attack), it will happen on prime-time tv, mark my word. And when ratings soar….
But in general, without the incentive of $250k pushing them, the simple fact is that the obese often have a very low tolerance for any sort of activity. If they get wrecked out of the gate, they are unlikely to even try exercising a second time. In keeping with the idea of ‘ensuring a positive experience’, starting gradually and ramping up makes more sense then throwing than into the grinder. The second approach may generate better short-term results but the long-term results are more at risk in my opinion.
Finally there are the simple realities of a larger individual moving their body during activity (both weights and cardio). There are joint impact issues to consider, the realities of coordination that a 120 lb female personal trainer has no clue about, etc. This has implications for exercise choice and what can or should be done with the obese beginner.
And, again I’m sure I’ve left stuff out but between the look at physiological issues and the above, this is as good a place as any to stop for today. I’ll talk about some practical application and lay out how I would (and in fact have) trained the extremely obese beginner based on this information.
Read Training the Obese Beginner: Part 2.













Hi Lyle
Being an obese exerciser myself i am facinated by this post and eagerly look foreward to tuesday. I am also an unapolagetic nerd and I especially appreciate your nerdy and wordy explanations. It is so rare to have any one explain a situation and present many sides to a discussion.
In this vein I would be happy to read “nerdy” but in-depth explanations. I know that you have to make a judgment concerning the length of your post and the interest of your readers, but if you cannot go into great depth then maybe you can provide some more of those helpful links.
I know that you already go in depth than almost any other blog, but maybe that is exactly why so many of us read your blog.
Thanks for all the info
martin
Lyle,
Thanks for this post. As a trainer who was once obese, I attract many clients who have serious weight issues. It’s been almost terrifying working with them, since the implications of failure are so serious for them. I do have an advantage in having a private home studio as I have found, as you mentioned, that the embarrassment factor is huge for getting them into the gym.
I am looking forward to your next installment; in particular I would love to hear more about adaptations that can be made to assist the obese in being able to perform basic exercises. I have found a ballet barre to be helpful in assisting them to get a sufficient ROM in moves like lunges–my approach has been to get them moving well, then increase the amount of movement. I’ve found this approach to work well, but one of the issues that I’ve come up against is the fact that their joints positions are distorted because of the sheer mass of their limbs.
Anyway, thanks for the post and I eagerly await the next. : )
Lyle,
Thank you for posting in depth about this. I’m an older (55) obese trainer who used to be a bodybuilder in my late 20′s/early 30′s. I find that everything I remember and everything written about how to train is based on training someone who doesn’t have obesity issues, such as limited mobility due to the extra mass, joint disuse and muscle imbalances. That makes it very hard to know just how to train to get myself out of the that situation. Either I waste my time doing unproductive training or I wind up in an overtrained and injured state. I’m eagerly waiting for your next post as I hope for some practical answers.
Thank you for this post and the upcoming series. Much appreciated.
Lyle: I very much look forward to Tuesday’s article. I was hoping you could address something along the lines of how long it takes to reverse the Fatty Acid adaptation and IR. My situation (which you probably know from a lot of my posts): was borderline obese for a while (mid to high 20s) became diabetic, had the massive weightloss. I’ve been maintaining ~18% or so, for 1.5 years or so, but I’m still massively insulin resistant. Is that a carryover from the obesity? Is my BF% still too high? At what point does the IR start to plummet? It might just be crap genetics. Anything you could suggest would be appreciated.
Insulin resistance has a huge genetic component, at the same leanness, people can vary in insuiln sensitivity 10-fold. It may just be the deck you were dealt.
I agree that many trainers don’t appreciate the courage required for an obese person to begin physical training. Especially a morbidly obese one.
At that size, everything is hard. With the usual diet producing that size, the person has diaorrhea or constipation every single day. Just getting in or out of their car can take 5-10 minutes. Everyone when they begin in the gym imagines that everyone will be looking at them. In most cases it’s not true, since everyone is busy looking at themselves. But if you’re morbidly obese, if you’re 200+kg – then yes, people will be looking at you.
So it takes a lot of courage for them to walk up to the gym counter or pick up the phone for a trainer or coach. As trainers, we have to respect and support that. We do not respect and support that if we throw people into Biggest Loser-style stuff, we risk their physical and mental health.
I stopped meeting clients at the beach because every morning there are other trainers there getting 150kg guys to flip 200kg tyres down the beach. It sets a bad example and my client always wonders, “well if sweating is good, and they’re sweating more, then…”
“Yes but the sweat will be followed by blood, later.”
I look forward to your next post. Having lost 135 lbs, I’m interested to read what you have to say about training the obese beginner.
Hi Lyle, interesting stuff. Can you please include references and citations in some of these articles? I’m not saying you’re wrong or have made errors, but I can’t show these to other scientists and have them take it seriously, which is a shame. I know they can be a bit closed-minded when it comes to stuff like that, and they’ll try to find reasons not to admit they might have more to learn.
I’m also aware you like to send obscene, attacking emails when you feel your article has been criticised. Let’s see where you take this one.
It would be nearly impossible, this is information I’ve put in my brain over 15 years of reading research. But if you know how to run Pubmed, you should be able to readily find relevant articles based on the terms I’ve used (e.g. search mitochondrial dysfunction and limit it to humans.
And what you wrote isn’t a criticism, it was a valid question. But apparently you’re unclear on this too.
Because “Can you do this is?” is a question.
“Your articles are too long” is a bullshit criticism by people too lazy to do any work, who want their information in bite sized chunks and come to my site OF THEIR OWN FREE WILL and then bitch about how I do things.
Understand the difference? But, guess what, fuck you anyhow for your final comment. And using curse words is not obscene except to dumbasses.
If I told you to fuck a goat, that’d be obscene. Calling you a fucking idiot is a statement of fact if that’s what you are.
But bottom line, Sami, don’t like how I do things: don’t read my site. And certainly don’t ask me to do anything for you if you’re going to be all passive aggressive in my comments section. You could have left off that little bit but decided to be a fucking asshole instead. So fuck you.
Lyle, it was pretty much a joke. I usually do like how you handle things, as it’s usually a public embarrassment of morons asking stupid questions. I’m not always opposed to such tactics, and I appreciate thorough articles.
I probably could’ve left off the last comment. I’ll take you’re ‘fuck you’ on the ‘e-chin’, and continue to read your work anyway; hopefully with more/some references in the future. Thanks.
Sami.
Lyle knows what he was talking about. I remember reading his usenet posts over a decade ago. Lots of changes since then and lots for me to read (and try to comprehend on some level).
As for the BL trainers she knows more about being obese than most people know. She was 175lbs when she was 14. Goes to show you even people in peak physical shape do not always have an easy road. Those that had to struggle themselves are usually the best trainers with the most knowledge.
Lyle,
I am confused. I have read your articles on insulin and insul sensitivity as it pertains to fat loss.
You say that in a normal person, when insulin levels rise, blood fatty acid levels will be reduced because the body will store the fat. However, in an obese person, the body does not reduce blood fatty acid levels with a rise in insulin, leaving glucose and fatty acids blood borne. If fat cells are insulin resistant, and the obese typically use carbohydrates for fuel, where do the blood borne fatty acids go? How are they stored in fat cells if the fat cells are insulin resistant?
That’s kiind of the point: they sit in the bloodstream as I stated here
“This is actually part of what causes further insulin resistance (especially at skeletal muscle cells): chronically elevated blood fatty acids. Of course, in that insulin is involved in fat storage, this also means that incoming calories no longer have anywhere to ‘go’ since insulin is no longer playing its storage role. This is part of what leads to the increase in blood levels of glucose, fatty acids, etc. they can’t be stored where they belong.”
They can’t go into fat cells and skeletal muscle and liver aren’t burning them well. So they accumulate in the bloodstream (or get stored in ‘bad’ places) and cause other problems.
Lyle sorry for all the insulin questions. I am sorting through several of your articles trying to piece together answers.
If it is better to be insulin resistant while dieting, wouldn’t the high levels of insulin (because of the resistance and the pancreas secreting more insulin to overcome the resistance) prevent lipolysis?
The thing you have to understand is that what we’re ultimately interested in is end-stream signalling. Think of this as
Signalling = hormone levels * sensitivity
So you can have high hormone levels but low sensitivity and the overall signalling will be low. Or you can have low hormone levels and high sensitivity and the overall signalling will be high. You can’t just look at the hormone levels per se, there’s an interaction with sensitivity.
Which is why, in the obese, despite higher levels of insulin, there is still a lot of lipolysis going on (or a lack of anti-lipolysis) because of the high levels of resistance.
I hope that makes sense.
It does. Thanks for the quick response.